This theme really reminds me of the time when I first used a computer. Netscape was the first browser I used back then. I stopped using FF since I can't bear the new interface (Australis) and the increasing incompatibility with most of my add-ons and finally, switched to Pale Moon. However, when I tried installing this theme, I was met with a lot of bugs (missing history buttons/rss icons, etc.)
I didn't want this theme to be forgotten and still want to use it, I made a decision to fork and port it (github.com/FranklinDM/Moonscape) to Pale Moon, together with a few improvements to it.
Anyway, even though this review is already quite late and took years just to write this, thank you for making such a great theme.
Hello Franklin DM,
Thank you for forking FOXSCAPE to the Pale Moon browser.
Nice work on the preview.png file.
See the top note under "About this Add-on" on the AMO FOXSCAPE page.
I presently still use Firefox browser without any theme. If things get to be too annoying when Firefox 57 is released, at the end of this year, I might then switch to Pale Moon and then install Moonscape.
I hope my review finds you well.
It is hard to not notice the trend in the realm of a Toolbar: the Toolbar changed gradually from 3-d buttons (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Navigator_1-22.png) to 2-d simplified icons (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Netscape_6.1.png). The toolbar depletion is continuing towards blue rectangles with a text besides each one (e.g. https://www.groovypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Start-Contact-Support.png). I have no idea who or what drives this trend. . . . One thing is certain: the depleted toolbar makes me sick.
Amazingly, your theme is like a drink of water in a desert, it really slakes my thirst. This theme is so important for me that I moved to Palemoon after Mozilla decided to go with Firefox in the radical direction.
It is a pity that this theme is going to die since nobody is willing to port it to Palemoon browser.
The depletion you speak of is due to the popularity of cellphones, tablet computers, and other hand held devices. Desktop software developers (Mozilla) are copying the user interface from these devices and applying it to the desktop user interface. This is a bad idea since the desktop computers are usually using mouse input and the hand held devices are using touch screens. The buttons need to be larger on touch based user interfaces due to the size of finger tips being large. A mouse pointer does not require such large buttons.
Also, Mozilla may be influenced by the user interface design of Microsoft Windows 10 and Google Chrome.
As for your "the depleted toolbar makes me sick" statement, I feel the same way.
Presently I continue to use and make do with Firefox as my web browser. (without Foxscape)
I do not feel secure with Pale Moon browser. I do not know if it will continue to be updated as frequently as Firefox to address security issues as they are found.
I presently do not feel like porting Foxscape to Pale Moon.
Maybe I will change my feelings in the future.
Lastly, I am still waiting to see how Firefox will implement their new Complete Themes. This may be a year or more wait.
Hi Michael, this add-on is a very great addition that I happily use since a number of years now. Since it was not compatible with Firefox versions > 28.0 I really stopped updating my Firefox. I know that this is a debatable option but I really like the appearance of Firefox as a traditional long-loved Netscape webbrowser so much that I decieded to stay with version 28.0. Unfortunately, many sites like youtube started bothering me with "your browser is too old" messages or even refuse to work at all.
I feel pushed to update in the near future and I still do not want to loose my beloved Foxscape add-on.
Due to the fact that you not seem to have time resources for this project now or in the near future, couldn't you consider to at least put it to github and make it open source? I have not developed any Mozilla add-on yet but I'm pretty confident that may be even me could possibly help in making Foxscape compatible with latest Firefox versions. Maybe also other computer scientists would be willing to contribute to such a project. Wouldn't that also be in the favor of yourself to see the spirit of YOUR Foxscape living on? :-)
FOXSCAPE is already open source, see:
Yes, I would like to see FOXSCAPE live on.
There presently seems to be no one interested in updating FOXSCAPE. The number of Firefox theme developers has gone down in the past few years. This is due to decisions being made at Mozilla that theme developers do not agree with.
Placing FOXSCAPE on GitHub is unlikely to improve the situation with the lack of developers to participate in working on FOXSCAPE.
If you would like to give it a try, then go ahead and create your own updated FOXSCAPE theme and place it on addons.mozilla.org or GitHub. If you do post an update, please let me know and I will post a link to it here.
I hope this finds you well.
Thank you so much for creating this wonderful theme. I have been using it since I discovered it some years ago (I only started using Firefox seriously around version 19) and now Mozilla has continued to take it in an even more radical direction. I am now using Pale Moon with FOXSCAPE 5.13 (compatible with Firefox 24.x) and it works great except for a strange line that appears in the address bar when an RSS feed is available on a site.
I don't know if you're familiar with Pale Moon, but it is essentially a fork of Firefox that has decided to diverge in a sane direction, and will not ever be removing user choice and GUI design standards by switching to the "Australis" theme of Firefox 29. They are truly seperated from Firefox now, and even have their own addons site at . It would be amazing if you could continue development for Pale Moon, as they currently are keeping compatibility with the Firefox 24.x front end. You can read more about their roadmap for the future here:
In any case, thanks so much for the years of enjoyment of this great theme, and hope to use it for years to come!
Hello Thomas, and thanks for your complements. I am happy to hear that you enjoyed using my theme with Firefox, and that you are still enjoying it with the Pale Moon browser.
While I have been aware of the Pale Moon browser since it came out, I have not chosen to download it.
I am presently still using Firefox and will continue to do so unless the Mozilla people take things too far in a "radical direction" for my taste. If that does happen, then I will give Pale Moon a look.
Unfortunately I am not in a position, at this time, to work on FOXSCAPE for any browser (Firefox, Pale Moon, SeaMonkey, etc.).
The issue with Pale Moon browser and the RSS feed icon causing a glitch probably would be easy to fix by someone who is familiar with themeing in Pale Moon. I suggest asking someone in a forum, if one exists, for Pale Moon theme development and ask if they can help to fix the bug.
I am sorry I can not be of more assistance in this matter, but I hope you can find someone as I suggested above.
Thanks for pointing out Pale Moon, and for your support.
please show mercy and update! i'm still using firefox 28 because of this australis bs and now websites like gog.com are starting to not work. it's the third time i post this, because my comments are somehow censored.
> please show mercy and update!
I wish that I could say that I was making an update, but I am not going to be doing one due to current situation with "Complete / Heavyweight Themes" (which FOXSCAPE is one).
As discussed at the following two links, Mozilla is going to be removing the ability to theme Firefox. They give no specific date as to when the theme capability will be removed. It could happen at any time, so I refuse to waste my time creating an updated theme that could become useless when themes are removed from Firefox.
1222546 – Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes • mozillaZine Forums
At the same time, Mozilla says that they will be implementing a new method to provide the ability to theme Firefox. It is unclear if this new theme capability will be capable enough to fully implement FOXSCAPE. There is also no date mentioned as to when the new theme capability will be implemented in Firefox. You can read more about this at the link below.
Planning the Future of Complete Themes
> i'm still using firefox 28 because of this australis bs and now websites like gog.com are starting to not work. it's the third time i post this, because my comments are somehow censored.
Yes, Mozilla filters out reviews that contain any expletives / curse words in them, which your earlier replies did. I did get notifications that included those full reviews, and I feel your pain.
So, let's hope that the new theme capability that Mozilla intends to implement will be capable of doing a new FOXSCAPE theme. If it is, I may make it happen.
For years, you made my Internetting so much better. It's a shame this era of endless updates, excessively fluid APIs, Jonathan-Ive-wannabe hacks destroying our UIs and ever-more-esoteric web extensions driven by big-money corporate agile webdev has claimed your wonderful work as yet another casualty in what seems to be turning into a War on the Free Internet.
So long and thanks for all the fish, man.
Ce serait agréable d'avoir une mise à jour!
I know you have said you wont update Foxscape anymore. But i really would love you to update this. Foxscape is the best and i would like to continue using it i will even pay you for it.
I have posted on the forums asking if someone could update Firefox however i have had lots of looks but no replies to my request.
honx4amiga, I don't know what you did wrong. I installed Pale Moon, then downloaded Foxscape, and it just worked. Maybe you can try to install it again.
I agree with ponzi.
After the release of the latest version of the ESR Firefox 24.8 (not on the engine Аustralis) - I switch all my computers from Firefox on his fork "Pale Moon". By assurance of the developer - it will never be the engine Аustralis, that I was completely satisfied!
Foxscape works perfectly with this browser. Thank you for everything, Michael!
I was trying to wait for Foxscape to be compatible with Firefox 29 before I updated my browser, but my husband was messing with my computer this evening and he said "Yes" to the update. Please, in consideration of my once happy marriage, update this addon! (Note...I have now seen the message from the developer saying that future updates are on hold. I refuse to give up hope that something can be done to make this addon work with future versions of Firefox.)
I used this addon while it lasted and was very pleased with the attention to detail. Some time after Netscape Navigator 4, and once it had became standard to be able to rearrange the UI in browsers, I would always return the back / forward / stop / reload buttons to their classic (or expected) positions. I didn't like the trend of combining buttons, such as in the case of reload and stop, or the situational hiding of buttons, such as the forward button when there's no forward page. I would like for things to not move.
Firefox v29.0 brings a lot of the new-way UI without being customizable. That's not enough for me to stop using the pinnacle free-software browser. I can adapt to having stop/reload inside the end of the address bar, where I totally never expect it, but hardly need it. I will miss having the flying-comets throbber and the rest of Foxscape, however.
Unfortunately, Foxscape isn't shown as compatible with the extended support release v24.5.0, either. I suspect there were customization improvements between v24 and v28 that Foxscape took advantage of.
Thank you for Foxscape while it was possible.
Thank you, Michael, for updating Foxscape 5.12. It looks so nice on Firefox 24.
I first tried this as an alternative to Orthodox, another classic theme that doesn't work on the newest version of Pale Moon, and I plan on sticking with it. It captures perfectly that classic look I'm looking for and the Netscape logo with the comets is a feature I've been searching for. Orthodox also made the status bar too small, Foxscape is much better in that regard.
Overall a well polished theme that's easy on the eye and perfectly captures the oldschool look older users like myself miss from the good old days of Altavista, Geocities and Lycos.
Thanks for letting me know that FOXSCAPE works on the Pale Moon browser. Enjoy!
This is a nostalgia since I used netscape the first time I knew about internet. Thanks for the great theme.
I used Netscape Navigator (after NCSA Mosaic) back in the day, and after all these years I never left the Netscape look and feel behind thanks to my FOXSCAPE theme.
This theme is very good, but I would add or change some trifles: for example, I miss 'N' (or 'F' for Foxscape) symbol in the right of button bar, and buttons on the left that could show and hide toolbars with one click. It would be good if a theme would use a Firefox feature that shows download progress. This theme needs only some fixes and features, and then it will be perfect!
I believe that the 'N' (or 'F' for Foxscape) symbol you speak of is already in my theme, you just need to place it on the navigation toolbar, on the right end, by right mouse clicking the toolbar and selecting the Customize... item at the bottom of the pop-up context menu. Then find the Activity Indicator and drag-and-drop it on the toolbar. You may also need to place a Flexible Space (it behaves like an invisible spring) item immediately to the left edge of the Activity Indicator to make the Activity Indicator stay to the right end of the toolbar.
The buttons on the left that could show and hide toolbars with one click are known as toolbar grippies and they are not a function provided by Firefox themes. The function could be an add-on provided function, but I am not an add-on programmer.
Also, note that the SeaMonkey web browser still has toolbar grippies. Firefox was a software fork from the SeaMonkey browser (then known as the Mozilla Suite) and for some reason, they removed the toolbar grippies at that time. :-(
The download progress you speak of is intentionally omitted in my theme because it is very strangely implemented in the Firefox theme, and personally I do not like it. I may implement it later.
Thanks for your support.
Please consider revising your review to reflect your pleasure with FOXSCAPE (hopefully you are more pleased with it now that I explained what is up with it)
I used Netscape 4 for a LOOONG time...until the entire internet wouldn't display correctly, cuz it was soo old.
Then I updated to Firefox 2, but didn't have my beloved Netscape 4 "look & feel" anymore :'-(
I struggled with Firefox 2's default theme for a while -- I even have an extracted "classic.jar" still sitting on my Desktop today (8-8-13). I extracted "classic.jar" from Netscape 4, in an attempt to write my OWN "Netscape 4 on Firefox 2" theme.
But then, (dun dun dun), I FOUND FOXSCAPE!!!...& my problems were solved!
Installed it & never looked back. Happy FOXSCAPE user for (probably) 7 years. I've installed it on my main computer & computers for at least 3 other people...if I install Firefox for you it's GONNA have FOXSCAPE (& ABP & 15 other Addons).
The Netscape 4 Browser UI was just "done right" & FOXSCAPE brings that UI forward into the future! Have you SEEN what browsers look like by default today? Ick. They all look like Google Chrome. A single Location bar, nothing else. With FOXSCAPE you can make the Navigation Toolbar "look right" & with a few more edits, you can move the "Location bar" widget to its OWN "Location Toolbar"* & REALLY complete the "Netscape 4" look & feel.
* Note: Australis is gonna remove the ability to add new custom toolbars, but hopefully someone will write an Addon to bring it back!
...& if you wanna Unmerge the Back & Forward buttons, there might be an Addon for that too! (wink wink)...
I was really disappointed with this theme. I was expecting the last Netscape theme with the more demure teal, square buttons. Please make one that looks like the last Netscape 9 that will work on FireFox 11 or CometBird. I really, really liked the Netscape 9 theme. This one is way too neon to suit me. Thanks!
Thanks, Michael, it appears that the Simple Green would be what I am looking for, IF, it were available for FF 11, but thanks for pointing it out to me anyway. I'll keep looking. I will find something I like somewhere.
As stated in the description, this is a Netscape 4.x clone, though, what you want can be found in Simple Green at:
These are the kind of themes I like, just plain, old-style readable gray.
Hope it gets updated soon for Australis.
Aaaaah.... at last, I have found a very-indeed-legible theme for the current Firefox... I can read it without blood-on-black coloring, the cutesy characters, the dramatic swirly menu-background images, etc etc. Aaaaah...........
We run Firefox 19 via Windows Terminal Services and have tried 4 themes to improve transfer/rendering speed. Foxscape is the preferred theme over Rein 5.3.1 as it looks more like a browser and performs better in 256-color mode. Foxscape can be improved to remove gradients from the "Add-on manager" and make that look like old (Windows 95 look) Firefox.
Mmm... Thank You Michael :) Netscape - the best oldschool retro visual style!
Michael - I hope that whatever it was that took you offline for so long is now resolved, and that you're OK. Thanks so much for updating this theme, I'm very happy now that my browser is back to normal!
@ponzi: thanks very much for replying to me
No apologies necessary, Michael. We're just glad you're back online and updating Foxscape again! We missed it.
I love foxscape. So I now "update" it by changing the install parameters in the xpi. Here is how to do it:
1. Download the xpi. Not as easy as it looks. Firefox won't let you do it. It says the version is obsolete. Solution: use another browser. I used explorer.
2. the xpi is a zipped file. Open it with an unzipper. I use 7zip. YMMV.
3. there is a file at the top level of the xpi named: "install.rdf". Open it with a text editor. Notepad will do.
4. the 5th line of install rdf reads:
change that line to read:
5. Save the file and rezip the archive.
6. To install Foxscape: open Firefox. Use the file open command Ctrl+O or the file open menu item to open the xpi file. Fire fox should take it from there.
7. Bon Chance. Bon Appetite.